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Post by doggies on Apr 4, 2010 7:44:30 GMT
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Post by elaine on Apr 4, 2010 10:40:50 GMT
OMG What the hell is wrong with people. Poor baby, her injury's are very bad, just hope she can overcome them. Signed.
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Post by helby on Apr 4, 2010 19:21:23 GMT
Signed - with tears in my eyes!
Let hope she recovers enough and can use a wheel adaption to get about on.
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Post by hancocks on Apr 4, 2010 22:18:27 GMT
signed
the sick twat who did that needs his hands and feet chopped off and then left in the street
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Post by dodledeedle on Apr 4, 2010 22:44:16 GMT
Signed it and sent it to everyone I know!!!!
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Post by vampishdarkness on Apr 5, 2010 22:00:08 GMT
Signed. How can anyone be so cruel ?!?!?!?!
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Post by scorpigirl on Apr 6, 2010 11:56:38 GMT
Haven't signed it cause in that part of the world it's just a waste of time. Eastern Europe resisits vehemently what they see as Western intervention in their affairs. Petitions are more likely to have he opposite effect to what is desired. This is the bandit mentality. It bears strking resemblence to the cuting off of the racehorse head in the Godfather. These people see animals and in many cases women too as mere chattels, and see the means of hurting someone by depriving them of their property. Vendetta is a way of life here.
I would also have liked more details, the whole thing is very vague and one man alone could not have cut off the dog's paws. It would take two at least. I'd definately council petition signers to use their heads before their hearts in the first instance, think and then sign if you believe it will do any good . Don't just sign things without giving them adequate thought. At the very worst you could be targeted by an East Europen gang. Fantasy? Not with the large numbers from those areas coming in and out of the UK.
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Post by helby on Apr 6, 2010 19:15:07 GMT
I'd definitely council petition signers to use their heads before their hearts in the first instance, think and then sign if you believe it will do any good . Don't just sign things without giving them adequate thought. At the very worst you could be targeted by an East European gang. Fantasy? Not with the large numbers from those areas coming in and out of the UK. I'd definitely rather sign with my heart then my head, if everyone thought that way no petition would ever have an impact - and if the country is in the EU then at sometime, if not now but perhaps in the future, they will realize that their EU neighbors will not tolerate this kind of animal cruelty. Yes there is a lot of Eastern European's migrating into the UK but here to work and work hard. They move a far distance from their loved ones to improve their families quality/standard of life. Its fantasy to think that by signing a on-line petition here they'd all pop to your house and chop the paws off your dog.
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Post by scorpigirl on Apr 7, 2010 22:32:22 GMT
Sorry but you'll see that it won't make a blind bit of difference and I fail to see what the EU has to do with the matter. That's an unmitigated failure anyway, in my opinion. You won't stop people in that area behaving in that manner, it's in the culture. Any improvement has to come from within the society, and I doubt that in the current economic climate they'll want to spend money on animals. You only have to see the problems they in many of the old Eastern block countries by ignorance in caring for their draught animals.....and they rely on those for their livelihoods in many cases. Perhaps the link below shows that change is coming from within the country. I personally don't think we have the right to tell them what to do. Would we like it if someone tried to interfere in our country? I don't think so. www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=114760Oh and I'm not prepared to risk vendetta against me. What you wish to do I moot is entirely up to you. I don't trust people with very good reason I might add and I trust people from Slavic cultures even less.
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Post by Boxer Bonkers on Apr 7, 2010 22:37:28 GMT
this is a true story- she was a victim to 2 neighbours ongoing boundary arguments for years. The neighbour took a machety & cut off all four legs. A huge campaign went across facebook and funding secured for her vet bills. She has been rehomed and funding continues for her artificial limbs. The petition is for the land owner to be prosecuted. There's videos on facebook of her in her new home.
wanna see some real bad shit i'll cross post you in on horse meat murder, Nitros law, the fur & meat trade in china, other animal cruelty in Cyprus, bosnia.... it just goes on and on and on.... makes me sick but then its legal in this county to cram hens into cages they can't turn round in and just produce egg after egg after egg. Its legal to PTS thousands of stray dogs & cats that are fit & healthy- They throw live chicks into blending machines, trainers kill greyhounds by the thousand, stray cats are used for training terriers to corse, calves & the veal trade so who are the British to judge??
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Post by scorpigirl on Apr 7, 2010 22:56:34 GMT
Boxer Bonkers calm down. Comon sense should tell you that there just aren't enough homes available for the masses of dogs and cats bred by unscrupulous people. It's unfortunately a fact of life.
Erm and what do you suggest is done with the surplus calves that have to be born if you want to have a regular supply of milk.
As for cruelty in China, again it's a cultural. Animals have never been seen as pets there, they have had enough trouble trying to feed themselves and have few delicate sentiments about animals. That's why they , unfortunately caged birds. They were all that they could or were prepared to feed. For many centuries pet dogs could only be kept by the ruling classes. And let's face it they were the only ones who could afford them. The old culture holds that human live is easily expendable, given that is it any wonder that they have no qualms about hurting animals. Time will alter this I am sure but it will be a slow process. I agree that cruelty is unacceptable but you have to look at these instances on a cultural basis. You can't unilaterally impose a a western idealism on other societies, that in my view would be hypocritical
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Post by dodledeedle on Apr 8, 2010 6:19:02 GMT
Scorpiogirls right, other cultures do things differently, And animals are treated bad throughout the world, here in the UK we are supposed to be animal lovers - just look at all the unwanted abused animals and it proves different! The way to make a difference is to not visit these places abroad on holiday,And make the governments know that's the reason their tourism trade is dropping, we won't go back to Greece ever again after seeing children kick a cat to death, and nearly getting arrested for stepping in. Certain areas are known for cruelty you can still support the animals there though by sending donations to the local animal charities we support the Menorcan cat rescue as well as Babworth, you can't help them all , but every little helps.
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Post by doggies on Apr 8, 2010 6:52:35 GMT
I have bad dreams about stuff I see from the animal welfare organisations on YouTube and face book etc ...................
Every living creature has as much right to be on this earth as another, whatever that creature/animal is.
I also agree that we have to eat and we have to be sensible about that too, but there is unnecessary cruelty going on globally that is unforgivable.
we don't need to use fur either - Ive heard about the stuff in china , animals in the wild don't treat each other like that ! they only kill what they need to survive.
most of the cruelty comes down to greed (making money) and/or ignorance.
The Buddhists have got it right, they believe that every life is sacred xxx
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Post by scorpigirl on Apr 8, 2010 12:46:21 GMT
As we are one of the later species to inhabit earth, couldn't it be argued that we have less right to impose our arrogance on other animals who were here before us?
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Post by doggies on Apr 8, 2010 13:02:31 GMT
As we are one of the later species to inhabit earth, couldn't it be argued that we have less right to impose our arrogance on other animals who were here before us? I agree with you on that I've said that to a neighbour in the past who was being vile towards my cats (not where I live now), she was the type who looked down on everyone if they wern't like her - actually my wording was more simplified than that and included some swear words but it meant the same thing ;D
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Post by Boxer Bonkers on Apr 8, 2010 21:34:11 GMT
the day i calm down about animal cruelty is the day they put me in my box!!!!
f*** cultral differences..... i don't have any problems what so ever with the chinese eating cats or dogs but they do not have to cram 10 dogs into a crate so they can't move.. then skin them alive... eating a cat or dog is no differnet from eating a lamb or pig.- its how they are kept & killed thats the issue They don't have to kill millions of sharks just to cut off their fins to make a soup. They don't have to pour puppies into boiling water to make puppy beer because it tastes better to tourture them first. They do not need fur for thier own use they skin animals slive to sell to other countries to make money. This has NOTHING to do with culture. As you say Buddists believe every life is sacred. Any what religion is a huge part of Chinese life....
Not being cruel to animals is not a western idealisim FFS!!!!
just because these sick sick sick cultures have done this for years does not make it ok or acceptable to any human.
The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. Mohandas Gandhi and he WAS asian!!
i'm going now because i don't walk to talk to anyone who think this is ok
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Post by doggies on Apr 9, 2010 6:57:14 GMT
the day i calm down about animal cruelty is the day they put me in my box!!!! f*** cultral differences..... i don't have any problems what so ever with the chinese eating cats or dogs but they do not have to cram 10 dogs into a crate so they can't move.. then skin them alive... eating a cat or dog is no differnet from eating a lamb or pig.- its how they are kept & killed thats the issue They don't have to kill millions of sharks just to cut off their fins to make a soup. They don't have to pour puppies into boiling water to make puppy beer because it tastes better to tourture them first. They do not need fur for thier own use they skin animals slive to sell to other countries to make money. This has NOTHING to do with culture. As you say Buddists believe every life is sacred. Any what religion is a huge part of Chinese life.... Not being cruel to animals is not a western idealisim FFS!!!! just because these sick sick sick cultures have done this for years does not make it ok or acceptable to any human. The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. Mohandas Gandhi and he WAS asian!! i'm going now because i don't walk to talk to anyone who think this is ok I completely agree with you, IVe heard about all this stuff on facebook and I attach them to my 'wall' page for more people to see and be aware of it. I don't understand political stuff though so I tend not to delve into that side of things , but all suffering is wrong where ever it is
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Post by scorpigirl on Apr 9, 2010 11:45:11 GMT
You might as well add bird's nest soup to that list. Swift's nests destroyed to make birds nest soup. Personally as the nests are made of dried saliva I find the idea of consuming them abhorrent anyway. Very unhygenic! By the way did anyone visit this address? I'll repeat it. [a href="http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=114760 "]http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=114760[/a] Might be a start.
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Post by helenS on Apr 9, 2010 12:08:27 GMT
i find it really hard to look and read about these things and when i do they torment me, they play over and over in my head, i cant understand how it isnt like this for everyone? im not particularly sensitive! some people, that can do these things must have soemthing missing in their brains i think signed
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Post by Boxer Bonkers on Apr 9, 2010 14:07:46 GMT
"Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." ~ Albert Schweitzer Scorpiogirl please watch this then tell me to 'calm down' and that we have no right to tell them what to do.. wot a crock of shit .. every human being on the planet should be shouting at the chinese authorities to stop this no matter what country or what their culture... www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tSV1Auy77I
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